Honey On Tap? – Bee Vlog Opinion – Feb 20, 2015

By Grover Koelpin 100 comments


This week a new product hit the internet and it’s been creating a lot of “buzz” [drum riff] It’s called the Flow Hive, let’s check it out These 2 jars of honey came out of that beehive there without opening the hive and without disturbing the bees It’s something we’ve been working on for a decade My fist reaction to seeing this was… Ah, I was going to do this exact April Fools joke, but now it’s been done so I can’t Really, I was going to attach a honey gate That’s a valve on the bottom of a honey bucket No, not that kind of Honey Bucket this kind Anyway, I was going to take this gate and attach it to a hive and show getting honey out of a hive that way and show how easy it is It was going to be hilarious But now it’s a real thing Then I noticed that they somehow got a trademark on the word “FLOW” Seriously? We can just get a trademark on any word we want now? I wonder if the snowboard brand knows about this Or the video game Or the movie Or this wireless controller Finally, I wondered, could this actually work? And if so, is it a good or a bad thing? After looking over the patent and doing some thinking, I have to say, I’m not a fan Now, don’t get me wrong I don’t know these guys and I pass no judgement on them I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they’re probably good people and spent a lot of time and effort creating a pretty clever and well engineered product Now let’s take a look at the patent and some pictures and see how this thing works It’s basically a frame of partially formed cells that the bees fill with honey and cap with wax Once capped you turn a crank that separates the cells into channels that allow the honey to flow down and out through a tube But why? First of all, honey harvesting is not the most difficult thing for a beekeeper In fact, I’d argue it’s probably one of the easiest Personally, it’s my 2nd favorite #1 being catching swarms So this solution just isn’t needed But I think there’s a bigger problem at the root of this Actually make that two things… No, three The first problem is for beekeepers This is yet another gadget There are literally thousands of gadgets being marketed to beekeepers and it’s really easy to get caught up in the gadget frenzy and think you need to buy them all Buying up a bunch of unnecessary gadgets is a waste of money and it eventually leads to frustration and lack of interest in the hobby because you just can’t afford it anymore Beekeeping doesn’t have to be an expensive money pit The second, and I’d say the biggest problem of all is for the non-beekeeper When my friends find out that I’m a beekeeper their first though often jumps to all the honey that I must be swimming in and they want to get some of it The general public seems to think that bees are just honey making machines That you can just tap into anytime you want and now this product makes this thought quite literal Bees are so much more than honey machines Honey is a precious resource and it can’t just be taken on a whim During a harvest care must be taken to not take too much It’s their honey, they’ve been storing it up for themselves, not us We’re robbing them of their work and we need to pay respect to that and do so with care and consideration We’ve become complacent with the abundance of honey found on store shelves and we don’t fully appreciate what it takes to make that honey This Flow Hive product feeds into that consumer mindset of take, take, take I think that’s one of the reasons this advertisement went viral It makes us believe that it will be easier now to take and consume Finally, I have a problem with the very premis that this removes a barrier to beekeeping That this simplifies beekeeping and makes it easier for children or people who would otherwise be fearful of bees This is false They’re selling a fantasy If you’re squeamish around bees and you can’t handle a simple honey harvest you shouldn’t be keeping bees You’ll still be required to open a hive from time to time before and after a honey harvest There are so many other tasks and problems that come up besides taking honey If you can’t handle it, don’t do it at all The Flow Hive is not the solution And take a look at this nonsense This is pure marketing rubbish In a real-world situation you’d create a robbing frenzy doing something like that If you’re squeamish about keeping bees, good luck getting the hundreds of bees off your pancakes as you make your run back into the house This may actually be a well engineered product that I think is an ingenious design concept But it has no place in any beehive But don’t just take my word for it Go watch the full video and decide for youself Is this something you’d be willing to use? Let me know what you think in the comments Thanks for watching

100 Comments

Shankari

Apr 4, 2015, 6:05 pm Reply

I saw the video and LOVED it!!!  The guys did not seem like slick guys, just caring and inventive men who came up with a great innovation that looked way more compassionate toward the bees.  So I bought one, can't wait to have it in my yard.  I love bees and am not afraid of them at all.  In fact I used to catch them in my little hands when I was about 6 or 7 years old.  Looking forward to reconnecting with them.  I wouldn't have gotten the other kind of hives as they seem too difficult and complicated to me.  I also have beekeeper friends in the area -wish me luck!!!

Nels M

Apr 4, 2015, 3:47 pm Reply

I 100% agree with what you're stating. That said I've bought 4 of these frames just because I like having all different types/styles of hives, I have HTBH, Warre hives, Langs, and even log hives, This will just be another hive in the yard.

I will say that this could have been summed up by just stating that this hive will die come winter…

Inspections, swarm control, diseases, adding new brood boxes and more. Their intro should have been a hands on and not a infomercial. If you had that hive setup in your yard just as is, there is no way that hive will make it through winter. The video is misleading and needs to be rewritten. with all this said, if you're getting into beekeeping because of how easy it is to get the honey and that's what you want, you're failing the bees. I keep bees because they are interesting little creatures, and honey is a bonus if they have enough for winter.

Scott Baker

Apr 4, 2015, 6:48 pm Reply

Heh… I have that same shirt.  Browncoats rule!

jim cooley

Apr 4, 2015, 6:04 am Reply

I see your point but I think you miss the point. You may say it's inexpensive to start out keeping bees but what about harvest time? You need a honey extractor…those aren't cheap…even a hand crank one. Then you need a honey filler…those aren't cheap. I believe the flow hive is a good idea but why don't you get one and try it out before you judge it.

Titus Ovidius

Apr 4, 2015, 11:46 am Reply

Got a thumbs up from me. Your video is the first I have watched about the flow hive, where you, the reviewer, didn't sound jealous or angry when you spoke. You were calm and pointed out some issues that one would run into when using the hive.

Highnmighty850

Apr 4, 2015, 1:24 pm Reply

I personally would snag one of these! Sorry you are not a fan.

The Flylooper

May 5, 2015, 10:20 pm Reply

I agree with you, Bill. If anyone is getting into beekeeping as a hobby strictly for the honey, they're in the wrong business. My neighbor is already asking me about when I'm going to harvest honey from my three week old hive and I had to bring her down to earth by telling her I may not take any honey at all this first year.

This Honey Flow system is a little too slick, a little too removed from the little critters who work so hard to survive. Reminds me of milking machines.LOL

Adam Dagna

May 5, 2015, 10:58 am Reply

I can see your point on a lot of what you are saying, however let me counter several of them.  I have been wanting to get "back into" beekeeping for years.  My dad did it while I was a child and I have fond memories of the buzzing bees in the backyard while we played.  However I also remember the ordeal and the labor and the mess and the space it took to harvest and store the equipment needed to support the extraction.  I can't dedicate a half or a quarter of a garage to storing an extractor etc.  So I've stayed away from getting my own hives now that I am an adult.  I felt the flow hive solved a roadblock for me.  I pledged towards it, and I have a hive coming.  I am getting into, or back into as it were, the hobby because of this "gimmick".

Second to your assertion that it contributes to the "taking"mentality.  I have to fundamentally disagree with you.  I liked the idea of the flow hive for the very reason that it doesn't require me to pillage the hive to do what I will eventually do anyway, which is to take a share of their hard work.  It's their home first and foremost and if I can be slightly less invasive and disruptive, and respectful of that home while doing what I need to do I feel that's a worthy endevour.

As I read more and get more excited about the idea of a hive or more in my future I can see that I will definitely have non-flow hives down the road, but this product got me to pull the trigger on something I have wanted to do for years and years.  I don't see easing people into the hobby/lifestyle as necessarily being a bad thing.  We can't all be grizzled veterans who can tear through a hive without fear or uncertainty.

Just my two cents.

mellored

May 5, 2015, 7:54 pm Reply

I see several ups and downs with it.

Bad: It's plastic.  Bees prefer wood and wax frames.  That said, they will still build on plastic, and i'm not sure what kind of plastic this is.  Perhaps it's more bee friendly then the one's i've seen. 

Good: It's plastic.  Other things don't like plastic either, so a hive less likely to get disease or invading insects.  Still likely an overall negative.

Bad: No wax.  Not that anything stops you from taking it anyways, but if your harvesting for wax, you just bought a really expensive frame for no reason.

Good: No wax.  You can let the bees keep their wax.  Defiantly less stress on them not needing to start from scratch.  It's the difference between being robbed by someone who picked you lock, and being robbed by someone who smashed your door and windows.

Bad: Air flow.  Bees build their comb in a way that allows air flow, leaving gaps on the sides.  I'm unsure about the details, but one size is pressed up against the viewing panel so that reduces circulation.

Good: Viewing Panel.  You can see the bees and honey without needing to smoke them.  You still will want to open it to check on them from time to time, but you can more readily see issues simply by walking by.  It's like seeing a doctor on a sub-way, not a replacement for going to his office, but your still more likely to catch any issues earlier.

Good: Less space. For the urban beekeeper, you don't need quite as much bulky equipment to process the honey.  Not a big deal on a farm, but a centrifuge takes up a good bit of space in a 1 bedroom apartment.

Good: More backyard beekeepers.  Anything that helps increase the bee population is a good thing.  Even if 1/2 of them do a poor job, it's still more bees then before.

Overall i see it as net benefit (unless you want wax), particularly that last point.  Sure you can complain about factory farming, but having an animal in a zoo is better then extinction.

MyMoJo

May 5, 2015, 11:43 pm Reply

Hum – this video makes very valid points…
Bee keepers in a warmer climate might like this Flow contraption – but there is a lot to be said about leaving enough honey in the hive for the bees to winter out… Bees make honey for themselves they aren't harnessed by the bee keepers or paid for their production… the more the bee keeper steals from them the more they produce… So  am going to guess that if the word flow means overflow – then I can grasp that if you take the overflow of honey and leave a 70 to 80% behind at all times – there should not be a problem… Guessing here! anyone want to reply?

CoolBeanSquadron

May 5, 2015, 2:12 am Reply

I was hoping for an actual review from some one who used it, but I definitely see how the things you mentioned could be a problem.

david michael

May 5, 2015, 5:05 pm Reply

Haters are always going to hate, too bad.

BAYLEY GENEREUX

May 5, 2015, 12:51 am Reply

I think it's a tonally go idea not like you are gonna get five gallons of honey a day( I'm sure tha products makers now that) and you could leave one hive open for the bees I you want and work it a little over time. Please thumbs down.

Ccso Brother

May 5, 2015, 1:49 am Reply

Honey w BPA and  One problem …no more beeswax

C Lombardi

May 5, 2015, 6:39 pm Reply

Its ok to tax humans and take from them what they work so hard for, but its very wrong to take what bees work so hard for.

Michael Didier

May 5, 2015, 1:10 am Reply

Maybe I missed something, but I didn't hear a single argument that went beyond someone having the wrong mindset or philosophy as a beekeeper. You can be an irresponsible, consumption crazed beekeeper with or without the flow hive. Conversely, I'd venture to say you can own the product, benefit from it's advantages, and maintain a healthy and sustainable attitude toward beekeeping.

Ben

May 5, 2015, 12:28 am Reply

You raise some interesting points. I enjoyed watching your video.

Bob John

May 5, 2015, 8:00 am Reply

Yes I would use it

rooshooter

May 5, 2015, 8:06 pm Reply

Very good point about the mentality it caters to. Sorta like getting honey from amazon in the mail. Click a button and wala. Issues I see. You still have to inspect frames for fully capped. Otherwise you could be draining nectar and not honey. Gotta use queen excluders. Frames don't allow cross passage for bees. Winter crystallization could be a huge problem to deal with for any type of beekeeper when using these frames. The list might be longer,hey?        Cheers!

rooshooter

May 5, 2015, 8:14 pm Reply

Another point is that in high nectar flow areas, a hive is going to amass huge bee populations and you have to provide supers in mass as well. A two super hive like this type will surely swarm once or twice a season if not attended to. Especially in Australia where nectar flows are huge in forest environments.

Matthew Auman

Jun 6, 2015, 3:55 am Reply

The objections to this product are a little absurd. Of course a five minute video meant to raise money oversimplifies beekeeping!!! Do you think a five minute video about anything could sum up a whole profession?  Is it really a bad thing for more people to try beekeeping:  I am an avid gardener and would consider having a hive if it was easier to care for.  This invention is like the square foot garden or the Groasis Waterboxx for gardening – it makes things easier and simpler and broadens their appeal.  Many purists object to this and nit pick about minor problems.  Many of those who spend their time criticizing seek to destroy what they could never build.

TheStreetPreacherEJG

Jun 6, 2015, 3:12 pm Reply

Have you seen the price tag for one of these things? Complete full flow hive $670 and you won't get it until February of 2016.

Depending on where you buy a full complete beehive you could probably get anywhere from 3 to 5 hives for the price of one complete hive.

Rock Head

Jun 6, 2015, 1:37 am Reply

I have probably been stung by bees 1,000,000 times. In fact, when they sting me, I hardly feel a thing. So , I am going to buy this proudly the just because I love bees and I can do a good job taking made of them.

Zach Coldwell

Jun 6, 2015, 8:46 am Reply

I know nothing about bee keeping beyond a few videos seen here, and a few over at FreshP. I am strongly in favor of the flow hive. When I buy my house, I want to buy and install two to four hives outside my kitchen window and tube them all up to supply my honey jar inside. I expect no less than two to four cups of honey per day to put on my biscuits and chicken nuggets.

Raul Mayway

Jun 6, 2015, 11:03 am Reply

This video does not address my main reason for liking the look of this product which is the welfare of the bees. Yes I will still need to open the hive from time to time but the design allows me to extract honey without killing any bees. So for those of you who think/comment it's because I want an 'easier consumer' way to make honey, no it's not. It's because I don't agree with your current barbaic methods of extracting honey were you are not bothered about killing some bees in your greedy process. I've never considered keeping bees until this device came along because I think otherwise it's a cruel process. I will however be investigating the ethical points of this design before buying. I just think to totally dis-regard it as a gadget and sticking to the old traditional way is not moving forward for the craft.

amaceye

Jun 6, 2015, 3:37 pm Reply

I need one of those where I can buy it

TheWombatsplace

Jun 6, 2015, 7:01 am Reply

Doubles the cost of a hive, reduces production potential – only 7 Flow Frames fit a 10 frame super. Bees start building burr comb all over the top of the frames before they are capped as they start looking for more storage space ( have seen it happen). You need some carpentry skills and tools to modify a super as you have to add those holes and trap doors into your own box.

Chris pease

Jun 6, 2015, 6:32 pm Reply

My question is can the bees reuse the broke wax caps from the flow harvest? If so then this can actually have some pros and not just cons as bees use a LOT of energy to make wax. Sure you can melt down and sell the wax from your bees but if you can get them to save as much wax as possible then in theory they can spend their energy on making more honey rather than more wax. After all this is why people cut off the caps and harvest with a centrifuge in the first place, so that the bees can reuse the comb.

Philip Binder

Jul 7, 2015, 10:34 am Reply

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2223561.pdf

This "Invention "was already patented in 1940 in the USA,…

unbelievable how easy people can be tricked into believing you having actually found
or invented something ,..

Bob M

Jul 7, 2015, 2:02 am Reply

This individual has NO idea what he is talking about !

Disassociated

Jul 7, 2015, 4:52 am Reply

Incorrect! Actually unless your a selfish person you don't take all of the honey, under each comb tray thing there is a valve, to one COMB tray. So you only take from one tray. So they wont starve unless lke said your selfish

Germanwtb

Jul 7, 2015, 4:14 am Reply

First of all, I don't have any professional knowledge about beekeeping or experience.
I agree that it may lead to the misconception that bees are only for honey and that anyone can do beekeeping just for fun, or its easy.
But I also think that, when used correctly, this product could have it's place. Maybe for example when using it 5050 alongside wax combes, and just don't harvest the other honey. I think you are a little bit too pessimistic about what people will do with it.

NewUnderTheSun

Jul 7, 2015, 9:14 pm Reply

I've used it and I like it. In the same way that you seem to be saying that they are oversimplifying the bee keeping hobby/profession, I think your criticisms are over simplified. There is more to bee keeping than what is shown in the Flow videos but they never claim to work on any part of the process other than what is shown. For me, brood and Queen maintenance is the most challenging aspect of keeping bees, which is why I am a novice. But I like the product and wish I could get a dozen more. Lastly, multiple entities can trademark the same word or phrase, as long as they are in non competing business segments and as long as the word or phrase is not in common use in that segment. The trademark use of the word Flow you show are all okay because no one is going to confuse one industry with the other.

NewUnderTheSun

Jul 7, 2015, 9:25 pm Reply

Look around, they are out there.

NewUnderTheSun

Jul 7, 2015, 9:26 pm Reply

And if you did not use one, why criticize until you do – why the rush to judgement?

NewUnderTheSun

Jul 7, 2015, 12:00 am Reply

Again, the details of my life are of no interest to anyone, and I did not in any way lie, blatantly or otherwise. I can understand your review more clearly now, given your rapid judgement of me, as with the Flow. When I harvest my first dometic batch in spring I'll be in touch, or not.

Apicotef

Jul 7, 2015, 5:03 am Reply

Beautiful videoclip !
You expose only some moral problems, BUT, in my opinion, as beekeeper, without using this product (too expensive), there are more technical problems related with bee behavior. Of course this produt must be tested by autorizated bee-researchers, for a long time in order to set how good is.

Whatever …. time and beekeepers, by using or not using this , will give credit to this product !

Like your BeeVlog 🙂

Enak

Aug 8, 2015, 11:48 pm Reply

You are obviously an accomplished bee keeper. But shouldn't you try this product before commenting on how bad it is?

Andrew W

Aug 8, 2015, 9:21 am Reply

the biggest threat to our bees are chemicals and that of the use of them in our farming communities…
there is a war that is about to erupt with these chemical companies wanting to sue due to bans on their bee killing pesticides…
so if more people are encouraged to bee keeping in the back yard due to the flowhive all the better… I've got one on order but I also have been running a standard hive… the are going great guns… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLAuycHyxwo

TheEdc85

Aug 8, 2015, 3:25 pm Reply

So it works well, nice I wasn't one

fjoa123

Aug 8, 2015, 3:59 pm Reply

I'm amazed on how quickly all of the people on youtube bite the bait and jump in defense of this product, thinking they've become stewards of the beed just by liking this flow hive. They probabbly know very little or nothing of beekeeping, or the real need of bees. The flow hive is a bad thing. If you compare it to egg production, it would be like the metal cages where chicken are trapped and forced to lay and produce eggs. why is noone defending that kind of production?

asfdoth

Aug 8, 2015, 3:32 am Reply

@TheBeeVlog: I have been raising bees on a small scale (10 hives max) for 35 years. I am not squeamish or the least afraid of working with bees. Harvesting small amounts of honey has, and always will be, a pain the ass especially on a very small scale. I have watched the FlowHive video tutorials and read PDF instruction sheets for Langstroth hive conversion. They base their design on sound principles. I assumed this commentary would be from someone who had actually tried a few FlowHive frames in a conversion hive. Instead I found a rant from someone who is clearly opposed to the new idea based on principle. The only real questions are functionality and durability. If it works and will last several seasons, then they will probably be worth it for many small scale bee keepers. The rest is just opinion, not based in fact.

californialove03

Sep 9, 2015, 12:12 am Reply

I am so happy I stumbled upon you're video. I've been eyeing the flow hive for awhile but was hesitant on pre-ordering it until I heard what real beekeepers had to say about it because well I know nothing about them and have always wanted to have my own hive (a small one)because they have always been fascinating to me. and since starting up my own garden ive always wanted Not only for them to help them selves but to help my garden out as well and to have honey for myself.(never thought about selling it though). the product looks promising but like you said it could be a hit or miss. Anyways thank you for you're words. Its nice to see someone care so much for our precious bees

bigleo122

Sep 9, 2015, 8:02 pm Reply

Hello!  I am someone that is looking to start beekeeping when I get back to FLA from AK. (Im in the military and will be getting out in a few yrs)  I saw this product on FB in the past month and decided to buy one and also get into beekeeping.  From the videos I have seen and I listened really close to what they were saying and they wanted to get people involved in bees in a somewhat less risky way to harvest the honey.  So I dont think they want people just working their bees to death and starving them.  Now on the other hand I really get what you are saying in your video.  Anyone that decided to buy a Flow hive or a bee hive in general needs to understand that these creatures are doing you a service and deserve to be treated with the utmost care just like you would care for your domesticated animal like a dog, cat, horse, etc…  Dont just think that they make a bunch of honey everywhere and will never need it for themselves to survive.  And furthermore, if you dont take care of the bees they wont take care of you and maybe will swarm and leave you hanging.  I hope you can understand what I am saying.  P.S. Keep the great bee footage coming!  I am learning so much from you, The Fat Bee Guy, and Artisan Tony.

smyers820gm

Sep 9, 2015, 1:10 pm Reply

You should change the title of this video. You are NOT reviewing the flow hive your just offering your personal distaste for the concept. Hope they see this and sue the shit out of you.

Andie

Sep 9, 2015, 10:49 pm Reply

Dude, what you said at the very beginning is what it is all about with you, you yourself where going to attach a valve to a honey bucket.  So in my opinion you are pissed that someone else patented the idea you had in your head but did nothing with.  YOU missed the boat and have regret so you are aiming at these folks that actually had the idea and got off their ass and DID something with it. Went you point the finger at someone else remember there are three fingers pointing back at yourself. Bitterness is evident throughout the video to the point of pure jealously. This invention is GREAT, a GREAT comment made that everyone is overlooking is… " It lets the bees alone and does not disrupt them in their inner world. when extracting the honey.  How would you like a small hurricane to blow through your house and disrupt and take away.. That's about the equivalent to the bees.. Good job guys.

MK Mustafa

Sep 9, 2015, 6:37 pm Reply

nothing scientific in this review its just emotional talking.

Could you please make solid review

PrimeLyfe

Sep 9, 2015, 2:12 pm Reply

With the flow hive you don't have to take all the honey you can still leave some for the bees, also the best and most amazing part about these hives is that the bees don't get disturbed, you don't have to be messing around pulling frames out with bees on them flicking them off to get the honey, it is just a better way of beekeeping, not laziness.

Dennis Shoemaker

Sep 9, 2015, 6:08 pm Reply

I don't the calling this video a review is correct. You can't comment honestly and accurately if you haven't used one. I would be interested to hear what you say after using one for a while. Your comments are valid points to consider, but will the flow hive really help beekeepers? That's what I would like to know.

Deborah Torgler

Sep 9, 2015, 3:17 am Reply

Bravo for standing up for the bees. My initial impression of the flow hive put it together with all the other products for the professional honey producer who is not really interested in beekeeping, which I think of as more of a craft. It is appalling what some of these folks get up to. Anyway, I am happy to agree with you.

raphael brock

Sep 9, 2015, 1:54 pm Reply

looks like he is butthurt because he didnt come up with it first,, or he has a version of his own and is again butthurt they beat him to it ,,,

Amanda Stutler

Oct 10, 2015, 5:29 pm Reply

Yes, yes, yes! I am just starting out in bee keeping and your video says EXACTLY what I thought when I heard of the Flow hive. It is a symbiotic relationship, not a keg on tap!

GamerDares wins

Oct 10, 2015, 6:05 am Reply

pfft typical yank… if they didn't invent it, it's crap.

sorry yanks we beat you… deal with it!

Jeremy Neish

Oct 10, 2015, 10:25 pm Reply

Nice shirt!

Frans Kleynhans

Oct 10, 2015, 12:26 pm Reply

so sad that this is the way the world commercialize everything… but it is quite a necessary concept

Alicia Moulton

Oct 10, 2015, 5:48 pm Reply

Amen! Thanks for creating this practical video!

Smith Dog

Oct 10, 2015, 6:30 pm Reply

I would like to that everyone here and yes the flow guys too. I have a small orchard and have been adding more trees for the last few years. I hadn't really give much thought to keeping bees. I saw this on facebook and looked it up because it seemed like something I could maybe handle that would also help my orchard. I have some health problems that make physical labor hard or even impossible, just depending on the day I'm having.

The flow guys peaked my interest and sometimes that is all it takes to bring someone new into any hobby. Next Spring I'm actually going to have a lot more time on my hands than I expected and my health is stable right now so, it just might be a good time to start. Will I start with a flow hive? I have no idea really. But probably not unless it starts to get some really positive reviews. Also if harvesting isn't that much work I would be better off saving the money. Sure wish it was as good as it looked on the video, but I didn't think it would be really, it looked way too good to be true. But I'll still be watching reviews this winter and who knows I might just be joining the wild world of bee keeping one way or another.

Tyler McBeth

Nov 11, 2015, 12:35 am Reply

+TheBeeVlog can you give your thoughts on the mason jar mod flooding Pinterest? And are "bee shares" a thing like time shares? Thanks!

Scott Benack

Nov 11, 2015, 1:49 pm Reply

I thought and thought about this and the issues, but couldn't articulate them as well as you have.  Very well put.  BTW, I'll throw another wrench in the flow hive, determining moisture content for proper harvesting?  Will it flow that way at 17% and 18% moisture?  And another, . . . will bees refill capped cells, that they don't know are empty now?

DieAlphaEnte

Dec 12, 2015, 2:40 pm Reply

Well the reaction of beekeepers was exactly like i assumed it would be. Sceptical and rejecting the idea.
I think its actually better for the bees not to get stressed out so much and further on it allows us to work with more aggressive bees that have higher varroa resistance.
Also the wax stays there and they wont have to use energy to produce new wax. All this sums up to an easier situation for the bees making their survival rate bigger.
But im an amateur beekeeper an its just an opinion.

Gimme Anathlon

Dec 12, 2015, 6:59 am Reply

yep, I'd use it. yum!

Ginger Jones

Dec 12, 2015, 8:44 am Reply

Thanks for the articulate, respectful review of this hyped product. I am still interested in atleast seeing it but you made great points. The pancake bit was a hoot!

Captain Skunk Beard

Dec 12, 2015, 9:55 pm Reply

just found this, Took me from having to make the video myself

masterpalladin

Dec 12, 2015, 9:30 pm Reply

Look into the hex hive

TheSaskSquad

Jan 1, 2016, 3:45 pm Reply

I disagree they have there own box to eat there own honey that's why you have two boxes

Elwynn Ravenscrafte

Jan 1, 2016, 12:14 am Reply

I have to say its just less invasive, its why im doing waree hives. I have found beekeepers, especially the ones in bussiness are really overly critical, and had my father not raised bees when I was a kid, after joining the ag dept bee group, I would have given up. Like alot of farmers they seem very clanish and dont really seem to want to encourage new beekeepers, it seems they think we are out to rob there profits. I may well buy a flow hive, and though I want to try it the traditional way, Id say that all the folks who havent used them but are willing to slam them without doing so, make me really want to give them a try. I dont think you give the new folks credit for understanding that bees are NOT just honey factories. My personal reason is more to keep the bees in healtest possible condition.

Ba d Neighbour

Jan 1, 2016, 5:01 pm Reply

he knows his honey

Ba d Neighbour

Jan 1, 2016, 5:07 pm Reply

auto honey…what a joke…sad thing is my farm owner saw this and wanted me to investigate . within 5 seconds I was like what about all the flies , ants,lizards chickens ,birds ,children etc ….try that in the tropics and you will be dissapointed

Jett Hitt

Jan 1, 2016, 4:03 am Reply

It is kind of amazing to see beekeepers everywhere threatened by this innovation. I imagine the reaction of stagecoach drivers to Henry Ford's automobile was much the same. I love horses. I own sixty-five of them. But guess what? When I go to town, I drive my truck. And now, I am going to put beehives on my property because of this remarkable invention. More bees is a good thing. Embrace the future.

motoman1997

Jan 1, 2016, 7:33 pm Reply

Agree with you TheBeeVlog this device is not the way to go. To support my opinion I attach this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C-GH3VikYQ

Joe Murray

Feb 2, 2016, 11:29 pm Reply

so my question is why?
if you take the honey before it gets capped it has to much moisture, how are you doing to know if it's capped with out opening the hive to look.
if it is capped and you empty the cells with out removing the caps, I would think the bee's will walk past these capped cells and find a different place to store honey

Zates

Feb 2, 2016, 3:40 am Reply

Ive been checking out the Flow for a bit. After reflection I decided to wait. I wanna look into more of a natural way as you have. I do enjoy your channel, but there will be more to learn just from the experience. Thanks for all the info and self teaching aspects. Looking forward to starting soon.

Eugene Bell

Feb 2, 2016, 3:25 pm Reply

I an a beekeeper. I don't put plastic in my hives.

SomePerson47

Feb 2, 2016, 10:08 pm Reply

wait, do you live in oregon

glumpy10

Feb 2, 2016, 2:29 pm Reply

You really sound like a jealous kid trying to get another kid in trouble.
Too many gadgets? Seriously??? You own a car or worse still, a kitchen? Tens of thousands of gadgets if not more but you ever hear of anyone not buying a car or having a kitchen in their home because of that.
You don't think it has anyplace in a beehive? Fin, don't put it in yours. I don't think you have any right to be crying and sooking about something you clearly haven't even laid eyes on so I won't watch you any more.

Cheryle Seedhouse

Feb 2, 2016, 3:49 pm Reply

The flow hive got me into bee keeping in a way that helps me be a novice who understands the vital part bees play in our environment and wants to help that but also understands I don't know enough to keep bees in the traditional way, so I pay a local old style bee keeper to check the health of the bees twice a year (as recommended by the flow hive company) and she also set up the broodbox for me.

It may not be how many of you traditional bee keepers think it should be but it works for me and my bees and the local bee keeper is happy as she gets paid for small amounts of time to do what she loves doing.

Andrew W

Mar 3, 2016, 11:21 am Reply

12 months on with the Early Birds that got in early with the Flowhive Crowd Funding campaign have now received their hive and are Harvesting Honey in parts of the world where it has been summer… it works like a beauty and the knockers have gone quiet… in the mean time, Bees are still being eradicated by farmers and chemical companies.. the "real" problem… a friend of mine lost 4 Hive colonies just this last week after Neighbouring Farmers had their paddocks Ariel sprayed…  so what's that??? a loss of 100,000 bees in one foul swoop?? Dreadful… >:(

David Costa

Mar 3, 2016, 7:52 pm Reply

Very well said

william amelang

Mar 3, 2016, 6:18 am Reply

It's prudent to wait til the product is proven but the overall tone of this diatribe was way too scathing to be considered appropriate. It is a very clever design. I'm looking forward to seeing the results from the test of time.

Bob Rogers

Mar 3, 2016, 11:35 pm Reply

I couldn't say any better. The honey going on the pancake put me in laughter. Wow, instant gradification to all the honey consumers. If it could be that easy. LOL

James McDonald

Mar 3, 2016, 9:09 pm Reply

I am starting to revise my opinion of the flow hive, They include a booklet with the device that does promotes good beekeeping practices . Is the video misleading? Yes!. Does the flow hive make beekeeping easier? No. Is it a really cool gadget that is creating a bazillion more beekeepers? Yes. I compare it to my G.P.S. That I program to speak in the voice of Arnold in the Terminator, or C3P0 of star wars. It is a complete waste of time. And costs me extra money. Still my life is infinity improved by the insanity of it all. I am seeing first hand newbie beekeepers with ear to ear grins, gushing over the beauty of the flow hive. I now vote fair play to the creators of the flow hive. Job well done.

JDog Night

Mar 3, 2016, 12:24 pm Reply

Great points! I have been exploring a start in bee keeping and had the same thoughts as you when researching honey flow set up.
Thank you for your other videos as well, they've been a great resource!

Jp2485

Apr 4, 2016, 1:10 pm Reply

In a perfect world the flow hive would be great but unfortunately there are alot of faults with the flow hive, the first being if you are unlucky enough the flow hive you purchased won't fit together when you get it as the equality control is very poor. The second being plastics are used in the flow hive and not enough studies have been done to have 100% confidence the plastic hive parts are not affecting the bees. The third being what happens when the hive gets sick and catches the varroa mite or hive beetles??? that's got to be a very big pain in the ass to clean out and not very productive. The fourth problem and probably one of the biggest is it teaches kids that when ever they see honey in the hive through the viewing glass it's ok to take honey… This is a very bad lesson for kids to be taught unless it is explained to them properly which I reckon 99% of people haven't done.

christopher Rueth

Apr 4, 2016, 9:25 pm Reply

the point about taking all the honey is stupid, it's simple just close the channels up again before you take all of the honey. it's not like your forced to take all the honey every time you open up the channels

Pasquale van wijk

Apr 4, 2016, 5:32 pm Reply

you're right bro love from Holland

Pasquale van wijk

Apr 4, 2016, 7:10 pm Reply

i hope to visit de USA Canada

Trevor Crabill

Apr 4, 2016, 1:12 am Reply

Just don't take all the honey at a time

Chelsie Romulo

Apr 4, 2016, 4:43 pm Reply

Thank you. As a beekeeper I have this thing shared on my facebook page ~ 1x a week. I needed something to reply with.

rick eggers

Apr 4, 2016, 9:43 pm Reply

I would not take your word for anything… a year after this video, I have seen undisturbed bees having their honey harvested.  In my case, as a biologist, I understand the limits to how much honey you can take.  And that bees, as all animals that humans use for food, need attention.  Set up a hive and take a quart for your own use……. that is the people that they are targeting… I myself can't see investing 400 dollars  in an extractor system when I can invest 500 in a flow hive.

Hulk Hogan

May 5, 2016, 8:23 pm Reply

A person generally has bees for one purpose….honey. What do you have your bees for?

Adam Rieke

May 5, 2016, 5:02 pm Reply

yes i do

ShopTalk

May 5, 2016, 9:25 am Reply

lol so judgmental.

Aleksandr Yatskevich

Sep 9, 2016, 1:28 am Reply

Of all the negative comments being thrown out about the flow hive, all of them seem to be of personal preference than actual problems found within the flow system. show me something that says "this hurts the bee population" instead it's all about people complaining about how we don't need these new "gadgets" oh grow up. maybe it's these gadgets that will get more people interested in bee keeping. and with the bee populations dwindling due to lack of interest in beekeeping right now and use or pesticides and pollution, maybe the flow hive will get more people interested in beekeeping. isn't that what's important for the bees right now? put your dumb personal criticism aside people. be happy people are making advances in bee keeping that may get more and more people interested in keeping bees, thus helping the bee population rise again.

Rustie Munn

Oct 10, 2016, 1:54 pm Reply

non sense your words…

Gale Smith

Mar 3, 2017, 8:32 pm Reply

I am a gardener and hope to one day keep bees. Even though I know little about bees, I agree with your assessment! This contraption screams at the average consumer, "Buy me! Bee keeping is easy!" Reminds me of the upside down planter that was huge a few years back. The producers sold tons of them, made a quick buck and now you see the silly things on goodwill shelves. As a gardener, I have a deep love for pollinators so I hope people will stop and think before potentially buying and then failing at bee keeping with this product.

AaaaNinja

Jul 7, 2017, 5:28 am Reply

Yes you can get a trademark on any word. The 747 is trademarked. It doesn't mean nobody can use the word 747. It means nobody else can use the word 747 when it pertains to aircraft (a competitor can't also name their aircraft a 747).

Generic words and phrases can be trademarked as long as it is an arbitrary term connected to the product being sold. Like "apple" computers and gadgets. You've secured that trademark for your particular version of the product, and nobody else but you can sell apple computers. "Apple" cannot be trademarked when it comes to a seller wanting to sell apples because it is too generic for the type of good that you want to sell.

Does that make more sense?

AaaaNinja

Jul 7, 2017, 5:57 am Reply

Problem #1: since when does having lots of gadgets on the market equate to the idea of having to have all of them? I thought the idea of having lots of different gadgets is so that people can find something that suits their own way of doing things.

Just Me

Jul 7, 2018, 2:37 pm Reply

these things lead to poorly managed hives that eventually leads to the death of a colony from infestation or even starvation.
What beekeeper wants to lift that massive super structure off to do a hive inspection on a regular basis? That's the point. they won't and SHB, varroa or wax moths could get too far before they caught it. I give them credit for a cool design, but its not practical or good for bees in general. And i laughed out loud at the pancakes! There would be a million bees on that 😛

Car C

Dec 12, 2018, 8:38 am Reply

If you have a complaint about the engineering, I'd be interested. Otherwise, you're just too lazy to find a new skill to make a living on. You take pride in your skills, which is fair. But times are changing, growth is happening. Flow hives can bring more people to help protect these precious creatures, and as a bee keeper you should support that kind of innovation.

Alain Voit

Jul 7, 2019, 4:03 am Reply

FIRST: The flow hive is an increase mechanization of honey harvesting. Mechanization is not new to us (humans). We can look at the effect of mechanization on all kinds of farming activities. Mechanization has its 'seeming' benefits. However I believe mechanization can be destructive in a more subtle way; especially initially. Over time the underlying negative effects do become obvious. When it comes to living things and food, mechanization always produces a lower product than a "by hand" approach. IE: A fresh home made salsa – hand cut ingredients produces a salsa which is incomparable to the same ingredients put through a food processor, or blender. I have contemplated on this phenomenon quite extensively. I do understand it, but to explain this would require pages. Mechanization robs the 'life-force' from the food. We instinctively know this. And scientifically we have come to the conclusion that the worst diet for humans is 'processed food! Ask yourself "why is that?" SECOND: The Flow Hive is a plastic device. Well personally I think that the beauty and vitality of honey comes from its "naturalness". Forcing the bees to produce honey in plastic cells is hardly natural. I believe the destiny of life on Earth is moving towards a universal 'sacredness', 'grace', and a higher form of harmony between us humans and the world we create. If the concern for stressing bees during harvest is the real issue here, then I can assure you that there is a solution. However mechanization, and substituting beeswax with plastic is certainly NOT IT!

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